Thursday, March 27, 2008

"Everything is Spiritual."

If everything is spiritual then nothing is spiritual because nothing is by its own existence something and therefore has to be part of everything. To say that nothing is spiritual is to affirm to a greater degree that everything is indeed spiritual.


j clark. said...

quit being cryptic.

something by definition is a thing of unspecified amount.

nothing by definition is the nonexistence of something.

so if there is a nonexistence of a thing of some specified amount, then there is no thing of an unspecified amount.

for example. travis goes to the store. travis has three dollars in his pocket. he has something in his pocket. travis buys a cup of coffe and a bagel for three dollars. travis pays for his coffee and bagel with the three dollars in his pocket. what does travis have left in his pocket(lint not withstanding)?? Nothing.

Therefore nothing is not really something itself, no matter how cute and fancy one is with their words to tyre and give the illusion that nothing is otherwise something.

ps. what did you think of the dvd? i am assuming that is what brought about this great discussion of nothing being something.

:::: Travis Keller :::: said...

the absence of a thing is still something. otherwise we couldn't not refer to that absence as having definition. For something to be completely void of existence then it would have no definition. To have a definition verifies that what is defined is, indeed, something. if nothing is nonexistence then nothing is something, that something being nonexistence.
not cute. not fancy. just reality as perceived in human finitude.

j clark. said...

or the definition of nothing exists soley to define the absence of something. not the presence of nothing. therefor if nothing exists, which is debatable, then it exists only to adequately articulate a state of nonexistence. My contention would be that nothingness does not actually exist in the sense that it has a presence (whether physical or spiritual) in space/time. Instead nothing is merely a concept we have created to explain something our minds cant truly conceptualize. So to me, nothing isnt something in the sense that something is a thing that "is."

did you or did you not watch the dvd? what did you think?

Daniel Coutz said...

I think J. Clark's definition of nothingness makes more sense.

Lee Y said...

Everyone who reads this post will seriously consider leaving the church. Those that read it twice will likely be youth pastors or individuals with a youth ministry background. People who read it more than that...are truly sick people. A movie quote that sums up my thoughts from Billy Madison:

“what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that even could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dummer for having listened to it. I award you no points, and God have mercy on your soul.”

:::: Travis Keller :::: said...


stephanie mary said...

i am now dumber for reading lee's comment, which spelled the word dumber as "dummer."

deWeb said...

something is nothing. nothing is something. many is few, but not none...because none is all. separate is all toghether. identical is altogether different. that which differs resembles, but may or may not be opposite, depending on whether or not it is identical. what i'm trying (not trying) to say (remaining all the while silent) is(n't) that with or without nothing, we know (aren't sure) that something does exist. that is a fact (complete fabrication).

Ryan said...

Pssh... Sounds like someone recently read parmenides by plato.

webb...again said...

something...nothing...who cares. it's all spiritual

Matthew 5:38-48, NASB

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone want to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only you brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."