Sunday, August 19, 2007

Reform Period.

Is the reform that is needed for the church today equivalent to that of the Protestant Reformation in Germany and England in the 1500-1600s?

6 comments:

Joe said...

Definitely, are you thinking of writing some theses? You could put it on the front door of the Crystal Cathedral. The only real difference I see is that it would be directed towards the Protestant Church, because the Roman-Catholic church has already ignored the first movement. It would be about corruption, but not in the sense it was before, but worse, people have lamely preached the word of God, or blatantly twisted the verses to make it like God backs their agenda. It's sin, and should be called out...I mean that's what Jesus did. The body of believers have once again become something that is not the "body of Christ" living dangerously, seeking to bring the kingdom of heaven to Earth. It has become a game to people. We have to understand the extreme difference in a body of believers and a body of Christ. Those two things look totally different.

David said...

Joe,

You can't honestly believe that the Roman Catholic Church ignored the Reformation. Although they did not change quickly, the facts are clear that most of the changes Luther was after did happen, eventually.

Joe said...

I guess I overlooked that. I have beef with the protestant building i grew up in. So I haven't really experienced Catholic-life. I do think there is a few awesome things that everyone could learn from the Catholic Tradition. My Grandma is Catholic and is the best view of Jesus I have ever seen.

I Guess I meant that the Catholic Church ignored some parts of Luther's Theses, such as glorifying The Virgin Mary, or Confessing to the priest for example.

Also to add, Luther talked as if he wanted quite a few other books removed from the Cannon and called the book of James a book of straw, not agreeing with the message of "Faith without works is dead." Some say he held Romans at greater respect than the Gospel books. Maybe this movement is taking a stand for the Beatitudes.

Brandon Sipes said...

Let's hope they are not too similar. I'm not real interested in another 30 years war or persecution of Anabaptists.

James said...

I am coming to Knox County this weekend. I will be at Chestnut Ridge from 2pm Friday until 3pm Saturday. I need to get back at a decent time Saturday to catch at least part of our house church gathering, but would love to see you on my way there or back. Let me know what works. Peace.

Daniel C. said...

I think the failure of the reformation was the splintering of the Church. I hope if there is another reformation it will have more emphasis at restoring unity and focusing on what we have in common. But I definitely think the Church is in desperate need of change.

Matthew 5:38-48, NASB

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone want to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only you brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."